Brexit Wars 3 frog_in_a_tree: Buns, your data is very out of date. To be fair, currently the no deal petition is showing 485,000 votes, near as dammit half a million. More than likely they are all Ruskies! Cheers, In this case it is clear that the votes have been fiddled. This is just the sort of thing those who supported Leave and Trump have been found guilty of before. Leave supporters as a whole are dupes of both the Russians trying to undermine their rivals the EU and rabid Right Wing Yanks who are also seeking to weaken the power of the EU and turn the UK into its vassal state (even more). IMHO, SBK
Brexit Wars 3 vtecgrin: Hi FIAT, it seems the woman who started the petition is no angel. [link] This meaningless comment and the others about “fiddling” of the Petition process are the most pathetic examples of denial yet seen on these boards. It matters not a fig if the originator, this old lady, is a serial killer millions are signing it because it was pithy and reflects what we think. Secondly, it is a bit rich coming from those who swallowed the lies and fabrications pumped out by Russia funded money Leave campaigners, including Goebbels style Face book ads. Thirdly, we can assume that all of the 1 million+ on the march today have signed this petition. All my family and friends have signed it and we did not go on the march. The petition clearly shows that the hot spots of Revokers are in the same places as those who voted Remain in the stupid Referendum. The national mood IS changing, not because of some new found love by Leavers of the EU (which they didn’t understand anyway) but because of the complete lash up the Government has made of the process, the palpable threat to jobs and sheer boredom with this garbage idea. There is really no point in arguing with those who are still clutching at such flaky straws as above. If you want to continue to keep lying to yourselves about these matters that is your choice. But you know that you are and the game is just about up. If Brexit happens, it will be of the token kind and such is the strength of resistance against it from the under 50s and the educated class it will be reversed. Just you wait and see. IMHO, SBK
Brexit Wars 3 Hello Pete, What news of London this day? Cheers, Frog
Brexit Wars 3 Petedancenation: Think your inadvertently making a better point…these financial sites are not a fair representation of the general public, and as such it’s very hard to gauge the nations mood. True, not a very good example but the only one I signed previously that wasn’t Brexit related. I maintain the rate of signatures on this petition (fair or foul) compared to previous petitions on similar issues of general public interest is a valid indicator of a large part of the public’s mood. That is the public. We must remember this isn’t representative of voters and that a great many of the public affected by Brexit never got a say on their future in the referendum.
Brexit Wars 3 Eadwig: I signed a petition a while ago about beefing up FCA rules to better protect investors and we couldn’t even get 5,000 signatures despite appeals on sites like iii multiple times. Think your inadvertently making a better point…these financial sites are not a fair representation of the general public, and as such it’s very hard to gauge the nations mood.
Brexit Wars 3 Eadwig: If this is a big issue, FB has a whole department, in the UK, to answer such a question. I haven’t looked at the claims and counter-claims, and FB have to be very careful about what personal info. they make public. However, I would imagine that something could be done by someone motivated enough to get to the bottom of this. A ‘computer whizz kid’ hacking someone’s personal account or a commercial server to try to get to the bottom of it … might I just remind everyone that would be a criminal offence - and one that is not taken lightly by the courts anymore Well when she files a lawsuit against Facebook for allowing her account to be hacked and used to tarnish her good name, I’ll recognise the lies by Guido. Until then… “I’ve been hacked” always the get out when someone gets found out for being a tw@t online. Perhaps it’s
Brexit Wars 3 vtecgrin: Hi FIAT, it seems the woman who started the petition is no angel. [link] It’s lies @vtecgrin. I know this because @Sir_Buns-Up_Knealing told me. Corrected me for being gullible. Frog knows that this woman has dubious character. Just goes to show there are utter anchors on both sides. Maybe more on Leave, but don’t let anyone on here have you believe that Remain are a bunch of saints.
For the chartists, good reason not to chase this market There are various ways you can interpret these markets, 1) is a means of measuring true inflation, the same as gold, gold never really rises it´s really a measure of currency devaluation. Yes, the bull market still stands but how many are exiting in the pre-Xmas rally? Remember the bell shape curve at the top. I am not sure the UK is the weakest, France & Italy look on absolute fire, these are the two that could implode the whole system. France holds so much of Italian debt & Italy is dependent in large part on French bank support. I personally think we´re heading back to a huge sell off. That´s what it looks like. The frequency of volatility is increasing. DyBmLYgW0AAw_wX.jpg1200x711 123 KB
Brexit Wars 3 Trisco: IP addresses are irrelevant I believe that is correct. I meant to add it in my reply to Vtec. No need to spoof an IP address if you are using valid e-mail addresses multiple times.
Brexit Wars 3 oilovlam: This isn’t true…‘made up’ email addresses would NOT work. A confirmation email is sent to the email address given and the vote isn’t counted until the confirmation link is manually clicked. So Guido is writing garbage in this respect. Multiple email addresses can be used but they have to be for a valid account. I don’t think it means “made up” addresses more you could, if you had the time and inclination, setup any number of hotmail, gmail, ymail accounts, before even work ones are considered. IP addresses are irrelevant as some households might share a computer/laptop. Same too on a mobile, just use different browsers. Really isn’t difficult. Personally I couldn’t care whether the number is exaggerated or not. As i said yesterday it’s been a great tool to let the government know the public feeling.
Brexit Wars 3 vtecgrin: Most people have 2 email addresses. Home and work, so could easily use 2 IP addresses also. That’s true Vtec, probably most people have 2 or 3 or 4 working e-mail addresses. I have two only these days, all my ‘professional’ e-mail addresses were deleted. They’re pretty sharp on such things these days if an account sits dormant for just a few weeks you get a warning and then its gone if not responded to. I have NOT used my second e-mail address to sign, by the way. I’d like to think most people would be as honest as me about it. Possibly naive.
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Brexit Wars 3 Most people have 2 email addresses. Home and work, so could easily use 2 IP addresses also.
Brexit Wars 3 Petedancenation: It worked for me, signed up with 3 separate email addresses and made up 3 postcodes and it allowed me to vote each time, pretty much null and void once it can be fudged so easily. Every other petition has been at least as easy to do that with - and none of them have had signatures collected at such a rate. So no, I don’t think you can just write it off … and if you can, why are we as tax payers paying for the server(s) and the time made in the House of Commons to debate it? I signed a petition a while ago about beefing up FCA rules to better protect investors and we couldn’t even get 5,000 signatures despite appeals on sites like iii multiple times. It is all relative.
Brexit Wars 3 oilovlam: SBK, unfortunately it’s ‘probably’ impossible to prove her FBook account was hacked…unless you’re a computer whizz kid. If this is a big issue, FB has a whole department, in the UK, to answer such a question. I haven’t looked at the claims and counter-claims, and FB have to be very careful about what personal info. they make public. However, I would imagine that something could be done by someone motivated enough to get to the bottom of this. A ‘computer whizz kid’ hacking someone’s personal account or a commercial server to try to get to the bottom of it … might I just remind everyone that would be a criminal offence - and one that is not taken lightly by the courts anymore.
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