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Thunderjack 19 Mar 2020

Courtesy of Belroe on another site: I think it is time for the hedge funds shorting Kier to recognise that they are now betting against the public interest in this time of national emergency. Kier employs 18,000 people and is building the UK's infrastructure. The business has substantially changed its approach and has raised cash, sold, assets and cut costs in order to make itself financially sound. The hedge funds involved should accept that they've made their profit, and now withdraw gracefully before people like Vikram Kumar at Kuvari become widely known as people hoping for corporate disaster at this very difficult time for the UK economy and its people. The video in the attached link appears to me to show a suppressed smile from Kumar as he recounts how Carillion failed and he made money. We do not need that kind of chaos from avoidable corporate collapse today, and the 'art of shorting' which Kumar mentions, seems to be taken by some people to include dirty tricks like newspaper articles which aim to sow doubt through unsubstantiated rumours. It's time for all of the hedge funds shorting Kier to cash in their chips and perhaps support the UK's recovery. [link]

Thunderjack 19 Mar 2020

Courtesy of Belroe (poster elsewhere).

Thunderjack 05 Mar 2020

As predicted, a big rise for the Kier share price. This should continue into next week. Last high was around 150p when there was some excitement around HS2, but Kier hadn't released any results for six months. Now the numbers are known and it's clear that the business is not going to fail. We will possibly see 180p by Monday.

Thunderjack 04 Mar 2020

Kier half year results are out tomorrow morning. Shares priced today at about a p/e of 1. If the business isn't terminal, that should be about 6. Will be a big day for the kier share price tomorrow.

Thunderjack 02 Mar 2020

I'm hearing rumours that Aster Group UK have bought Kier Living and Aster's board advisor, Andrew Bridges has been made chief executive of the Kier Living business. That will be transformational for Kier's debt, and it's likely that KL was sold for more than the entire value of parent Kier's entire market capitalisation this morning. We should see a massive bull-run to £2 and beyond when the news gets out.

stutes 24 Feb 2020

Kier Living Will HMG opt to squeeze housebuilders after Johnson’s comments on Persimmon? If HMG spends money how much of it will how much of the promised infrastructure spend is likely to go on coronavirus or other areas of the economy?

Thunderjack 18 Feb 2020

Zippy, the Motley Fool writers are not familiar with Kier. They haven't done detailed assessment; instead they look at a few metrics and then spout an opinion. Their articles are riddled with mistakes and misconceptions. For example, they don't seem to understand the difference between the group's net debt and its average monthly debt. They don't understand what brought the Kier share price down in the first place, and they certainly don't understand where Kier is now in terms of its volume of business, ranking and capability in UK construction, nor the sector as a whole. My view is that the business isn't even severely damaged, despite the fact that the last finance director allowed accounting schemes to give the impression of greater cash availability, and consequently far too much was paid out in dividends, and not enough done to maintain a healthy cash balance. The CFO has gone; money has been raised through a rights issue; cancelling the dividend altogether (saving about £60m in payouts); cutting costs and selling assets (property, a business in Australia). My view is that Kier will get back to about £6 by the end of this year, and much higher next year when they start talking about reinstating a dividend (a very small one, I hope). I'm not saying what you should do; I'm just saying that I've got my own plan and it involves holding Kier at least for the medium term and maybe even longer. My target is £12, but that could be some way off.

zippys007 18 Feb 2020

Re: KIE Stream Log Thinderjack - You seem to have done your research on Kier. i worked for Kier during their boom days when i left in 2017 ish i sold my shares for £14.50. I seen Kier crash and was absolutely gutted, they have some talented people their and I can honestly say was the best company i have ever worked for. Reason for my post - i bought £8k in stock my first ever purchase when they were 91p. I kept shorting them and making a few hundred pounds a time my stock is now worth £11k. Do i keep my money in ?? of take it and run. Everyday i read conflicting reports to buy and stay clear. What i have noticed is that certain websites such as the motley fool issue warning about kier shares then their shares slump - can you advise on why they are telling people not to buy. when you speak so highly of them?

Thunderjack 17 Feb 2020

Kier up 8% so far today and has broken through the six-month high of 148p. Looks like the market is re-rating Kier ahead of its results in a a little over a fortnight from now. HS" greenlight, record houseprices (great for Kier Living) and hundreds of contract wins make Kier a bargain. P/e is still less that 2. Ridiculously low. A 5-bagger from here by the end of the year.

Thunderjack 13 Feb 2020

Kier is up 9% today and has broken out from the recent trading range. A full scale bull-run is in progress. Nothing much to stop this going through to 150p. The market is making up its mind about Kier; hundreds of contract wins are making people realise that this is vibrant successful business, and one that's likely to grow now that Brexit uncertainty has fallen away, HS2 is going ahead and the business continues to win and complete projects. Results out in three weeks for Andrew Davies' first six months results. Prospects for a big re-rating are looking good.

stutes 12 Feb 2020

Kier workload Construction Enquirer News Sisk tops January contracts league after hotel win Morgan Sindall also moves up a gear taking pole position in rolling 12 month league table K’s position in the table has dropped- why?

stutes 11 Feb 2020

Kier up 7% Recent price movements suggest to me City is pricing the HS2 £100bn without looking at how it affects future private and other Government funded projects - labour shortages, material availability. K’s share price suffered from doubts on its debt pile and asset sale - either City over reacted or it didn’t by marking the shares below £0.90? Till K has sold its silverware to pay down debt I remain very cautious oas to how the City will play K’s shareholders.

stutes 10 Feb 2020

Up 8% today How can K be up 8% on a no news day? I think City speculating on asset sales?

ownyourself100 06 Feb 2020

Speculation K Living announcement Hi, Perhaps you could find the answer on one of the Kier videos located here: YouTube The Bigger Picture This channel looks at topics with a holistic view. You will find videos on Philisophical questions Sharemarket/stockmarket reviews Food reviews and other ran...

ownyourself100 06 Feb 2020

Why did K bring forward its update? I haven’t heard anyone give a good response to this, although someone on a hat board did link it to a potential sale. It could have been to wrong foot the market.

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