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vtecgrin 15:36

Brexit Wars 3 Sir_Buns-Up_Knealing: You may hate the people who attend these marches or who signed the Revoke peitition but you really cannot pretend that they don’t exist. What doesn’t exist in the UK right now is 2 million Syrians and 76 Million Turks that we were threatened with. I don’t hate remainers or peaceful marchers or anyone who signed the Revoke petition,and I never believed we would see 2m Syrians or 76 m Turks.

HuwJarse 14:56

Brexit Wars 3 Eadwig: It must have been terrible for you being aware of what a corrupt industry you were working in but nobody listening to your repeated whistle-blowing? Ha ha, very funny. Do you know what they did to whistleblowers pre 2007? They sacked them. I was at HBOS when head of risk Paul Moore told James Crosby he was heading for trouble, he got fired. I’m sure you remember the story well: This is Money – 21 Nov 15 HBoS whistleblower Paul Moore: I WOULDN'T do it again In his first major interview since publication of the report, Paul Moore challenges HBoS’s former bosses to apologise publicly for their actions. Oh incidentally, I remember well them pushing ahead with PPI when they knew full well the regulators were coming for them. All those senior managers desperate to squeeze in a few last big bonuses. The City was like the wild west back then, New Labour would turn a blind eye to ANYTHING. Eadwig: That isn’t the point previously made in that he would be way better than any of the muppets of recent times and would never have steered the country down this cul-de-sac of shame we have found ourselves in. No, lets be honest Eadwig, your attraction to Bliar is firmly rooted in the proximity of his tongue to the EU’s anus.

macbonzo 14:41

Brexit Wars 3 I think it would be a bit more than that. I think we would get rid of both Corbyn and May. Obviously it’s easy to say that Keir Starmer would be the next Labour leader, however, the nature by which Labour leaders are elected could mean it could be anyone. I think it would result in a hung parliament, where people are forced to TALK to each other. If we look at the German or Italian example of Governments, it demonstrates that spending a few weeks talking is no bad thing. Our current political system is in need of a massive laxative.

Sir_Buns-Up_Knealing 14:39

Brexit Wars 3 J_Westlock: Clearly for many… Brexit was well down on their list of concerns at the last GE… or like some here… they don’t know what they are voting for… which wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. JW, No, many of us voted Labour at the last election hoping that if they got in the Brexit policy would be watered down/changed. It was the least worst option. Also we hated the incompetent May Government. If the Lib Dems had been contenders in my constituency I’d have voted for them or the Beelzebubians if that was the alternative at the time. IMHO, SBK

Eadwig 14:16

Brexit Wars 3 HuwJarse: Were you actually living in this country prior to 2007? Apparently not as you clearly missed the Bliar City love in. I moved out of London, mainly because I was sick of City workers on coke who talked all the time and never listened. It must have been terrible for you being aware of what a corrupt industry you were working in but nobody listening to your repeated whistle-blowing? I don’t think you can seriously blame Blair for the financial crisis can you? How was he to know? Most CEOs didn’t even know what there own traders were doing, and neither did the traders. You know this, as an industry insider AND a reader of Michael Lewis. I don’t forgive Blair for the Iraq war and I don’t forgive him for getting Glen Hoddle sacked. That isn’t the point previously made in that he would be way better than any of the muppets of recent times and would never have steered the country down this cul-de-sac of shame we have found ourselves in.

HuwJarse 14:07

Brexit Wars 3 Eadwig: Unlike the last 10 years of austerity and the previous 18 years of slash and burn economic policy that put most of the country’s eggs into the City of London’s grubby basket and whose ultimate legacy was the Brexit debacle. Were you actually living in this country prior to 2007? Apparently not as you clearly missed the Bliar City love in.

HuwJarse 14:06

Brexit Wars 3 Uncle_Doug: Blair was the PM who agreed and helped facilitate the London Olympic bid in 2005 - even though Boris tried to take all the credit for it. We beat Paris by 4 votes wasn’t it and regenerated an ailing run down part of East London. Last time we could truly be proud of our country. Best Olympic Games ever. Now, thanks to strong and stable Tories and Brexshit we are the world’s laughing stock That’s his legacy is it, the Olympics? As I recall Tessa Jowell led our Olympic bid and it was her idea in the first place. She was a very special lady who actually made things happen. Bliar loves to take credit for things that might have happened on his watch but never accepts any responsibility for any mishaps (like wars and financial crises). He disgusts me, a man who charges hundreds of thousands to speak at charitable events, a man who has lacquered himself in his own wealth. At least Thatcher was brazen, becoming an ambassador for Philip Morris. Bliar is the very, very WORST kind of hypocrite.

Eadwig 13:49

Brexit Wars 3 HuwJarse: What Bliar will be remembered for Golden years of growth and prosperity, relatively evenly spread across the country. Unlike the last 10 years of austerity and the previous 18 years of slash and burn economic policy that put most of the country’s eggs into the City of London’s grubby basket and whose ultimate legacy was the Brexit debacle.

oilovlam 13:48

Brexit Wars 3 J_Westlock: 63% of all MPs voted for the war… that’s 414 MPs spanning both Labour and the Tory Party. And most of those are STILL MPs because mugs still vote for them. Couldn’t some of the MP’s who voted for war say they were slightly misled by the ‘dodgy dossier’? Just like ‘some’ Leave voters may be saying that they were misled by what was written on the side a certain red bus (and other whoppers!!)

Uncle_Doug 13:26

Brexit Wars 3 HuwJarse: What Bliar will be remembered for Blair was the PM who agreed and helped facilitate the London Olympic bid in 2005 - even though Boris tried to take all the credit for it. We beat Paris by 4 votes wasn’t it and regenerated an ailing run down part of East London. Last time we could truly be proud of our country. Best Olympic Games ever. Now, thanks to strong and stable Tories and Brexshit we are the world’s laughing stock.

jackdawsson 13:16

Brexit Wars 3 J_Westlock: Not only that… almost all the Media supported it… and other than those supporting the March against it, there was widespread public support… something that again people like to’ airbrush from their timeline’. But it is nice & easy… and rather convenient to blame it all on Blair. JW, Like I said, for a long time I thought I’d never get past blaming Blair personally. As PM of the time he had greater responsibility for the decision to go to war. But my comment to Fiat also clearly indicated that since then I’ve changed my view. It then follows that similar applies to all other MPs who voted in favour. Let’s be clear for those with poor or selective memory. Saddam was an evil mother who tortured any political dissenters & used chemical weapons to kill thousands of opponents, for eg. Kurdish civilians. He deserved to be ousted by military force on any legitimate grounds. What Blair has since said is tantamount to him being misled by US intelligence over claims about Saddam’s WMD & also about the vast financial & security resources that were supposed to be put into Iraq post-Saddam over the longer-term to help democratise it. That didn’t happen. The biggest failure wasn’t getting rid of this brutal dictator. It was not rebuilding Iraq post-Saddam. - GL.

J_Westlock 13:01

Brexit Wars 3 jackdawsson: But though I thought I’d never forgive him for so readily swallowing GW Bush’s lies about WMD Like he was the only one? 63% of all MPs voted for the war… that’s 414 MPs spanning both Labour and the Tory Party. And most of those are STILL MPs because mugs still vote for them. Some notables who voted for the war: Hilary Benn Boris Johnson Yvette Cooper Angela Eagle Barry Gardiner Margaret Hodge John Mann Tom Watson Bill Cash David Davis Liam Fox Mark Francois Chris Grayling Philip Hammond Oliver Letwin John Redwood … and of course, a certain…Theresa May A few enlightened ones didn’t vote for war… notables: Jeremy Corbyn John McDonnell Kenneth Clarke Not only that… almost all the Media supported it… and other than those supporting the March against it, there was widespread public support… something that again people like to’ airbrush from their timeline’. But it is nice & easy… and rather convenient to blame it all on Blair.

J_Westlock 12:39

Brexit Wars 3 Actually, they have this: LabourList – 26 Sep 18 Labour's Brexit composite motion in full - LabourList Below is the full text of the composite motion on Brexit passed by Labour conference 2018. The key… I’m not sure why some on here keep saying that Labour should be piling in to support #BrexitRef2. Their last Conference voted to Leave the EU with a negotiated customs arrangement and negotiated access to the Single Market. If the voting in Parliament goes against that option then they try for GE… and only if that won’t work do they then support #BrexitRef2. Both main Parties campaigned to Leave the EU… and that is still the official policy of both Parties. I’m surprised given that how many voted for either Tories or Labour at the last GE… some 26mill+ people. Clearly for many… Brexit was well down on their list of concerns at the last GE… or like some here… they don’t know what they are voting for… which wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.

HuwJarse 12:30

Brexit Wars 3 Eadwig: Most of the current politicians are as gnomes by comparison. I’d have him back as a leader in a heartbeat. Tony Bliar, the man who treated his premiership like a Ming vase. A man who, when given a landslide victory by the electorate and effectively a mandate/free reign to do whatever he want, did what exactly? Unlike any government I can remember in my lifetime he assumed power at a time when the economy was recovering strongly. What is his legacy? Did he transform the infrastructure landscape of this country with a raft of investment? No. New Labour did pour money into the NHS but that was largely thanks to Brown. They also were serial offenders with PFI, a national disgrace in my opinion. What Bliar will be remembered for, aside from Iraq (and personally, if I had my way I’d see him at the Hague on trial for war crimes) is toadying up to the city of London. So keen was he to be the City’s friend he turned a blind eye to all the excesses (I remember the pre 2007 years in my industry and it was pretty debauched. Believe me things have changed a LOT since then). I’ve noticed there is quite a big push to rewrite history at the moment and trumpet Bliar’s achievements. His primary achievement was being incredibly lucky that he took power and presided over a period of solid economic growth. I agree the present crop of politicians are gash, but Bliar? You’re having a giraffe mate.

Trisco 11:53

Brexit Wars 3 Once again, @jackdawsson writes a very well written objective post. Not sure I entirely agree with Tony Blair and the knife crime point, as the Police powers really started to erode away under his watch (certainly under Brown’s) and the criminals have since become far more emboldened. The balance, ever since, has continued in that direction and the Tories have lost all control.

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