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magoo100 15 Nov 2017

Re: Results If you ask me I think this was a deliberate short attack,these bear raids are becoming common again

hairyhelmet 15 Nov 2017

Re: Results I tend to agree with your sentiments pyueck. It does seem a bit harsh given the low PE, improving cash flow and debt reduction. If I hadn`t already bought enough of these I would indeed probably buy more. Don`t despair though the price will tick up over the coming months if there is no snow, wind, leaves, elections or strikes.

pyueck 15 Nov 2017

Re: Results Pretty surprised at the markets reaction to the results. When you look at the business now compared with 5 years ago (i.e. generating rather than burning through cash) its hard to see how the share price is the same in a rising market.Potentially a good entrance point in my opinion, with the bond refinance starting next year, hopefully on lower rates, this could imhp really see profits take off.Maybe investors are fed up of waiting for dividends, and they can't be blamed for that! Or maybe investors are fed up of the barrel full of excuses this company has every results. Maybe investors are worried what a Labour government would mean for this business. All valid concerns, but still think this one has been pretty harshly treated after the half decent set of results.

magoo100 14 Nov 2017

Re: Results Obviously the market doesn't like them

hairyhelmet 14 Nov 2017

Re: Results Results were fairly predictable - dragging up reasons for failure to be expected. Importantly debt is going down and cash flow improving. If I continue to hold, hopefully, one day everything will be rosy and I will get my money back. I am resigned to being a very long term holder.

magoo100 14 Nov 2017

Results Overall a good steady set of results and happy to hold

pyueck 11 Nov 2017

Re: Time between results Well, I personally think they should use all the cash they can make the balance sheet as good as it can be in advance of the refinancing of high yield debt coming up next year.Quite frankly who knows what is going on at company, last update was in June. Maybe all is rosey, but based on the share price falling in a rising market since June I suspect we are in for another wheelbarrow full of excuses. I think there is a big question mark with this company, will profits ever turn into cash. As we are discovering with the likes of carillion, beware cash being below profits for an extended period.Still for all my cynicism, if they can do a good job with refinancing debt in the next few years profitability should be transformed.However one further grey cloud. Labour are now favourites to win the next general election. If he does nothing else I am sure his number one priority will be nationalisation of public transport and overseeing the demise of the likes of fgp.

magoo100 10 Nov 2017

Re: Time between results I personally think the dividend will be resumed next week and things are definitely changing for the better

pyueck 09 Nov 2017

Re: Time between results While one may like to hope for good results (and your logic stacks up) Firstgroup usually disappoints with a barrel full of excuses. Based on the share price I am expecting another disappointing set of results. If I am wrong I will be pleasantly surprised.

hairyhelmet 08 Nov 2017

Re: Time between results I agree totally with your view on updates. Why on earth it is good enough for management to know the facts and us poor investors to left guessing is not on . I am hoping the market has priced the shares down on fears of the unknown (updates could have stopped this). I expect decent results with the USA doing well at good exchange rates and the Uk to be holding up despite pressure on bus. I think its to early to call for the dividend to be reinstated, but would hope for news of this to happen in 2018. I see the shares back at £130 before too long

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pyueck 30 Aug 2017

Time between results I have said it before and I will say it again. The time between results at this time of year is too long. 1st of June till the 14th November. Can't think of any other company with such a long time between updating investors, especially in an important period of taking on a new franchise. We need a Q1 update.

Ripley94 25 Aug 2017

Re: I think its quite sad Topped up @ 1.15p ( D )

II Editor 17 Aug 2017

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pyueck 12 Jul 2017

Share price What is going on? It looked to be really improving until the last results. Since then bloodbath and we are almost back to the old post rights issue trading range of 85p-110p.I can only assume that trading is awful or people are realising that the South West Franchise win was a pyrrhic one.

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